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PostSubject: Work in Progress 1942 91/30   Sat Sep 20, 2014 9:29 am

ok I've been working on my project mosin for a few months now and have it mostly done
just tweeking it now and its actually been a lot of fun
going to post some pictures I have posted before to try to keep all my stuff in one area

I've done all my work myself after watching a lot of videos on you tube
and doing as much research as I could on different aspects of this
it is after all a firearm and should be treated as such got to be safe

started out with a 1942 (I think) 91/30 here it is fresh out of the box

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I believe its a 1942 but really haven't looked into it all that much

first thing I did was buy the Promag Archangel stock

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next I bought the ATI scope mount and bolt handle
its a cantilevered mount but it seams solid when mounted I've had issues with it coming loose
but I think I have that cured now

make sure to clean and degrease the threads and check to see how solid it fits before mounting it
mine rocked just a tiny bit and I think that had everything to do with it coming loose
if the mount doesn't fit like a glove its going to stress the screws and in time it will come loose
so I put a thin layer of JB Weld on the underside of the mount and snugged the screws up
using a laser bore sighter to make sure I was lined up as straight as I could make it
after it cured I loc-tited the screws back in place as tight as I could get them
then mounted my scope its a cheep NCStar rangefinder 6-24

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PostSubject: Re: Work in Progress 1942 91/30   Sat Sep 20, 2014 10:07 am

almost forgot about the trigger
when I first got the stock I also got the Timmy Trigger set at 3lbs
so much better then my stock trigger nice and smooth


next I wanted to cut down the barrel and mount a muzzle brake
I really liked the Witt MFG MB3 Brake its not really big and they claimed to reduce the recoil by 60%
I got it with a 5/8x24 RH thread and also got a barrel threading kit from CnC Warrior 5/8x24 thread

the barrel started out at 28 3/4" long and after looking into what size would be better
I settled on cutting it to 22"
22 seems to be a sweet spot length for 180g bullet this has got to do with the guns harmonics


now this part of the build was the scariest the 5/8x24 thread die was just a little smaller
then the barrel after I cut it down I knew going in I was going to have to deal with this

the CnC Warrior kit comes with a die and a die starter which is a .308 shaft with a threaded portion at the top
you slide the shaft down the bore and thread the die on it to start tapping it straight
my bore slugs at .313 so I had to also use a patch on the shaft to make it tight
I had to put a lot of time into using the die starter as a guide and filing the outside of the barrel
to get it down to where I could start the threads but it worked out and I threaded it and loc tited it
it also comes with a crush washer to help you get it level with your action
after mounting it I can tell its not perfectly straight but its very close at about 30 yards its off about 2"
using an outside bore sighter vs the inside bore sighter

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after installing it and doing the Camo job

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PostSubject: Re: Work in Progress 1942 91/30   Sat Sep 20, 2014 10:35 am

next I wanted to Camo it and looked into different ways do this
settled on this way from a video I saw and it when like this

started out taking it all apart and tapeing off anything I didn't want painted
the indexing on my scope and inside the action and such

I used rattle cans of krylon Camo paint
first I used dupli-color adhesion promoter and painted it with gray primer
then put it all back together
then painted it with krylon Camo 4291 khaki paint as my base color
then got some hemp cord from either walmart or home depot I don't remember
and wrapped the gun all the way down with it
don't wrap it too tight you want a wide pattern with the wraps at different angles
kind of a random pattern then time to paint again this time I used
krylon camo 4293 olive don't get too heavy with this light dusting in a random pattern
then without taking off the hemp cord I wrapped it again this time with para cord
same kind if sloppy wrap breaking up the lines of the first wrap
then painted again this time with krylon camo 4292 brown same dusting in a random pattern
I thought at this point I had totally messed it up it was a big brown mess
after it dried I cut off the wrap cords and it looked very cool was totally happy with the results

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 one thing I learned the hard way was when doing the mag mark a line on the mag at the bottom
of the mag well and tape it off
only paint the mag below the mag well line I painted mine all the way up and the thickness of the paint
gave me issues with the fit of the mag sanding it off helped but it still doesn't fit right 
I've since got a new 5 round and a 10 round mag only painted the lower section and
they both fit very nice now
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PostSubject: Re: Work in Progress 1942 91/30   Sat Sep 20, 2014 11:05 am

if you notice in the picture from the last post I have the ATI bent bolt mounted to the bolt
this seemed good at the time but this handle is pretty small and lined up right under my windage turret
and when my bolt would get sticky I didn't have much leverage it was really hard to open
and when it did open I'd smash my thumb into the turret

it didn't take long to grow to hate this bolt handle so now in the past week or so I've replaced
it with a 5/16" x 5 1/2" bolt
I took off the ATI handle ground off what was left of the old handle and filled the old hole with JB Weld
then drilled it out and tapped it with a 5/16"x24 thread
then cut the head and threads off the bolt (threads were 5/16x18)
chucked it up in a vise and heated it red hot and started bending it to the shape I wanted
took a few tries to get it flat enough to fit under the scope mount flared it out to the side a little
and threaded both sides with a 5/16x24 thread

once I got it positioned where I wanted it I silver soldered it in place
and blued the whole bolt assembly did a little touch up of the camo on the new bolt and the face
of the bolt itself just the outside part I didn't want any paint inside to mess up any moving parts
and just yesterday I got my new rock solid industries aluminum basket weave pattern bolt knob
I painted it with black plasti dip rubber coating
haven't put camo on the knob not sure if I will or not I like it how it is right now
but this knob is kind of big and after I try it out I may cut the bolt down a little more but for now
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the bolt still rubs the bottom of my scope mount just a bit and scraped off the paint a little and I may work
on that some day when I'm board and I still may change the ATI scope mount but I feel good
about it being solid so time will tell on this
I also readjusted my scope placement for better eye relief and haven't touched up the camo there
been looking into a new scope I'm leaning toward the sfwa super sniper 10x42 scope
but haven't decided yet
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PostSubject: Re: Work in Progress 1942 91/30   Sat Sep 20, 2014 11:25 am

plan to take it out tomorrow and put some of my new 174g sierra match kings .311 HPBT
through it want to check muzzle velocities and see what kind of groups I get
SilverTip helped me out with some load data and I decided to go with his load of
47.5g IMR4350
PPU brass and CCi primers
OCL 2.995"
174g .311 HPBT matchkings
the archangel stock comes with a barrel tensioner but my barrel is free floated right now
after I get the data I want I may try out the tensioner to see if it makes any difference
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PostSubject: Re: Work in Progress 1942 91/30   Sat Sep 20, 2014 12:03 pm

Man, that freaking thing is awesome! Thats the quintessential mosin build imo. What this site was made for.  thumb     Definitely get the SWFA and let me know what you think.

And thanks for posting the details on the bolt handle. A quick and dirty way to make a good looking bent bolt handle. That will def help some others out also.

Are you concerned about the break being a little bit off? Im sure we can get it fixed for you.
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PostSubject: Re: Work in Progress 1942 91/30   Sat Sep 20, 2014 12:22 pm

no not concerned about the break no signs of the bullet touching it and it has been pretty accurate
if it ever becomes something I feel a need to change I can always cut a little more off the barrel
and have it done on a lathe its just something I noticed when setting up my crony
I use a laser bore sighter that slips in the end to line up my crony so I don't hit that
seems to work pretty good so far
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PostSubject: Re: Work in Progress 1942 91/30   Sat Sep 20, 2014 12:48 pm

Very nice, goodjob  just don't put it down in long grass, or you'll never find it again  Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Work in Progress 1942 91/30   Sat Sep 20, 2014 12:54 pm

lol no problems with that we don't have grass unless someone waters it
might lose it in a mesquite bush though
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PostSubject: Re: Work in Progress 1942 91/30   Sun Sep 21, 2014 2:39 am

awesome build. :-)I haven't decided if I am going to camo or change the color on mine yet. How's the archangel stock holding the paint? did you clear coat after the color coats?
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PostSubject: Re: Work in Progress 1942 91/30   Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:15 am

the stock is holding up pretty good
from what I read you need to use adhesion promoter before painting the stock
helps the paint stick
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PostSubject: Re: Work in Progress 1942 91/30   Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:58 am

Heres a little trick to tell if the item you're painting needs Adhesion Promoter.

Use a sharp blade, and cut a tiny sliver of plastic off of the stock (or part in question) from an inconspicuous area.
Drop that sliver in a cup of water. And the saying goes, if its a floater, use promoter.
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PostSubject: Re: Work in Progress 1942 91/30   Sun Sep 21, 2014 10:29 am

Lol I like it
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PostSubject: Re: Work in Progress 1942 91/30   Sun Sep 21, 2014 10:31 am

Also, (forgot to add) BULLDOG Adhesion Promoter is the best imo. I use nothing but that.
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PostSubject: Re: Work in Progress 1942 91/30   Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:05 pm

just home from the range going to do a range report later got grandpa stuff to do today
but everything held up
scope was rock solid no sticky bolt
new bolt handle was sweet
no smashed thumb plenty of room between bolt knob and windage turret


with all the rain we had last night I didn't dare go to my desert shooting spot
went to bolder city rifle and pistol club they were a little full so had to settle with a 50 yard lane
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my best group was string 2 - 5 rounds @ .616" shot at 50Y avg MV 2225
thanks SilverTip this load was sweet
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PostSubject: Re: Work in Progress 1942 91/30   Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:19 pm

With that, I don't think it'll be too much work to get it under 1MOA.
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PostSubject: Re: Work in Progress 1942 91/30   Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:05 pm

shweet
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PostSubject: Re: Work in Progress 1942 91/30   Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:08 pm

ya tweaking of the gun is coming to an end time to make myself a better shooter
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PostSubject: Re: Work in Progress 1942 91/30   Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:53 pm

I did it my scope is on order
swfa super sniper 10x42 mrad side focus
they said it was in stock should have it in a few days
I'm all goose pimply inside
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PostSubject: Re: Work in Progress 1942 91/30   Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:12 am

LVJake7761 wrote:

I did it my scope is on order
swfa super sniper 10x42 mrad side focus
they said it was in stock should have it in a few days
I'm all goose pimply inside



WOW

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PostSubject: Re: Work in Progress 1942 91/30   Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:28 am

Did you get rear focus, or side focus?
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PostSubject: Re: Work in Progress 1942 91/30   Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:24 am

For every 1 live shot I take, I make 10 dry fire shots with a snapcap made from fired caseing, with a pencil rubber glued into the primer pocket.

Every time I change something, on a rifle I do 50 snapcap firings per night for a month before I even put a single live round through it.

I also practice in every position standing off hand & supported, to prone, and everything in between.
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PostSubject: Re: Work in Progress 1942 91/30   Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:15 am

I got the side focus
my current scope has a front focus and I cuss at it every time I have to use it
have to reach way up front adjust it then I have to stand up to see the range on it 

was tuff tiring to decide if I wanted to spend the extra hundy till I went out this past weekend
had to reach out to adjust it then even though I knew I was on a 50y lane
I find myself standing up to look at the dam thing I couldn't help it
so I thought what the hell I've spent 100 bux on dumber shit then this before
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PostSubject: Re: Work in Progress 1942 91/30   Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:21 am

LVJake7761 wrote:

so I thought what the hell I've spent 100 bux on dumber shit then this before
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PostSubject: Re: Work in Progress 1942 91/30   Sat Sep 27, 2014 4:47 pm

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Great now I'm going to have to redo my camo
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PostSubject: Re: Work in Progress 1942 91/30   Tue Oct 07, 2014 9:10 am

ok got my new scope mounted
10x42 swfa super sniper mill-quad reticle side focus
rebidded my scope mount its all straight & bore sited couldn't be happier with the way this turned out
now just need to load up some ammo
maybe I can get out this weekend and give er a try

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going to the red bull air races Sunday and have grand daughter Saturday so not going to have time
to go through a whole ladder session for my loads
but I really want to try out the scope and check zero so gong to load up some of the last batch of 47.5g
of IMR4350 to check accuracy
going to wait a little bit before I redo the camo job going to change over to a lighter desert camo
going to do it like that Rex video
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PostSubject: Re: Work in Progress 1942 91/30   Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:44 pm

goodjob  Very nice. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Work in Progress 1942 91/30   Thu Oct 09, 2014 2:55 am

Cool very nice shweet
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PostSubject: Re: Work in Progress 1942 91/30   Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:08 am

that is the method I used for my .22 rifle. works great, and if you don't like something you can go back and redo a section.
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PostSubject: Re: Work in Progress 1942 91/30   Wed Feb 04, 2015 11:42 am

well finally got around to redoing the Camo on my 91/30
I've been wanting to do this for a wile now and after seeing Rex's video on desert camo
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I've made some changes since first doing my Camo (new Scope and Mounts, new Bi-Pod and Bent Bolt)
but mostly I wanted something better suited to my area the Desert around Las Vegas

first of all I took everything apart and taped off anything I didn't want painted then started painting

Started out with Dupli-Color Adhesion Promoter (left over from last time)
pretty much sprayed everything with this to make sure the paint sticks

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gave everything a light coat of Krylon Khaki spray paint

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put it back together to start the colors

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then I used a sea sponge just like Rex I sprayed paint into a box and blotted it on in a random pattern

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then to start getting contrast I used a light green color

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this is where I started to notice a problem with the sponges
they're kinda stiff and try as I might I couldn't get the pattern to stay random near the contours of the archangel stock
this stock has a bold frame around the whole thing and it made it very difficult to keep the pattern random 

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then changed to a olive color paint and stated using a small brush to get paint in the gaps the sponges missed
still didn't like the gaps but kept at it

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all back together thought I was done but the more I looked at it the more I felt the need to do a little more touchup
I just felt it was too light and needed a bit more contrast
 this time I used a 1 1/2" paint brush to make bigger splotches and spread better into the gaps

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so this is finished (for now) I haven't been out to the desert yet to compare it
but I like it and can't wait to try it out
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PostSubject: Re: Work in Progress 1942 91/30   Wed Feb 04, 2015 3:49 pm

Wow! Excellent work bro! Thanks for sharing your details. shweet shweet
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PostSubject: Re: Work in Progress 1942 91/30   Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:14 pm

ordered my M44 should get it Monday or Tuesday I'm all goose pimply inside
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